British government officials have decided that Muslims are issolated from British life...so they have decided to start a campaign attacking how a Muslim woman dresses when she visits her local MP..or has a job....
Do you think this is good way to improve community relation and encourage Muslims to integrate more is to attack them for the way their dress when they take part in British society?
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I'm a christian and I think it's unfair to criticise anyone for expressing their faith in the way they dress.
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If you think THIS is an attack wait till you see what's coming!!! You can either be British, or Muslim. But not both.
That's my opinion- YOU asked for it.
i really hope this does not become a reality
i think it is very beautiful to see people in their cultural dress
to have us all walking about like clones ... wearing the same ... being the same
no i do not believe this is the way forward xx
You always twist the truth. If you don't like how Britian is running her Parliament, go to Iraq or Saudi. I'm sure you will enjoy all the bountiful priveledges a Muslimah is duly entitled to, and you will not have to worry about some silly sovereign nation and her silly rules and campaigns.
PBUH...Pecans Be Upon Hulls
-Nut Goddess
No of course not. They're just being disrespectful.
You're mistaking attack for debate. Its ok to discuss the issue. In fact the very problem is that when these women do wholly cover themselves up they are NOT participating in a society which communicates through facial as well as verbal gestures. It is alienating and repressive whether these women realise it or not.
who cares?but when in rome?????
If it was a question of the student not being able to understand her under a a veil there must be a compromise.
I was not hired a a Seventh day Adventist hospital because of the way I wore my facial hair. I would not compromise. I didn't whine. I just found another job.
Would I be able to openly drink alcohol in Saudi Arabia? If not they are not allowing me my freedom.
So you think posting messages attacking the government instead of just letting things drop is a better way of improving it do you? I think the main point that is being missed with this issue is that women in Britain have fought for equal opportunities for centuries %26amp; just as we are beggining to acheive it immigrants coming into the UK are using religious excuses for not showing their faces to male colleagues! Are you trying to send us back to the dark ages. Of course if you were to follow all the rules of your 'religion' you wouldn't even be working - or go school - or go to the doctor.........
that is not an attack you bleeding hearted liberal,freedom of speech not all one sided.
Why would anyone not want to be treated as a human?
By wearing a veil you are cutting others of from interacting with you as facial expressions are an important part of being a human. You are preventing people from being able to relate to you, yet you seem surprised that people treat you differently, why the surprise? the hijab is also intrusive admitably it is not as bad as a veil, but it is still part of the same phenomenon. Please don't sat god wants it, if god wanted it he would have given you a veil by birth
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Also I think you have been over reacting all Jack Straw said was "consider removing your veil to make it easier to communicate" The veil it not even required by the Koran
For starters it wasn't a whole attack on the muslim dress. Just in relevant situations. i.e. the classroom, hospitals etc where I believe that the society should be as neutral as possible for all people of any or even no religion.
I would back the request ( not demand ) of anybody that asked a muslim woman to remove the veil if it caused said person unease, just as I would back the request of any muslim who asked a pair of teenagers to stop kissing and groping each other in front of them.
The very essence of British social life is that it should be acceptable for all citizens and sometimes that means everybody bending in one way or another.
Looking at it from a different perspective I would expect a christian to not wear a crucifix on display in an islamic region if it made people uncomfortable.
I don't think that it's a good way to improve community relations,but a lot of people(understandably)feel uncomfortable about talking to someone when they can't see their face.I think that the small number of women who choose to wear the full veil should think about how they make other people feel.These people can't expect to have everything their own way.Proper integration involves a degree of compromise.
british women died for the right to equality in society. this is being thrown back in their faces by disrespectful immigrants. when in rome, do as the romans do. in british society, it is an INSULT to cover one's face when having a conversation. this is only done by bank robbers, criminals etc.
why can't you understand? why is it US that have to understand you?
everyone knows that muslim men like to suppress their women, not let them receive an education, get jobs, drive cars, have male friends, expose their hair etc etc. if we lived by the Koran, that woman would not even be allowed to WORK as a teacher. How is that a mark of a civilised society?
it is NOT a muslim requirement to cover the face. if it were, why do muslim MEN not cover their faces?
how can 11-year-old pupils learn a new language when they cannot see the lips of their teacher moving?
if these women do not like the way british people live, why do they live here? why do they not live in saudi arabia?
I think the government is protecting our rights to live in a normal, secular, modern society. Especially when it comes to teachers wearing the veil and in so doing preventing herself from teaching our children properly. I think you over reaction just shows how unreasonable you and your religion are
The British Government and people have bent backwards for the Muslim community, and we are sick of it, Britain has scores of different religions, and the only one to ALWAYS complain is the Muslims.
And how the hell is a child supposed to know what she is saying when they cannot see her mouth?
The Brit is already accept secularism in thier Christian faith.
So suppose muslim have a right to utilise their faith since they are not like Christians.
Another facts is Brit is becoming more racism or apartheid. Should Queen Elizabeth should throw her tiara same as muslim women in gov office? If not, there is racist.
Yes
It lets the Muslims realise that they have habitually abused the Christian English majoritys tolerance and kindness towards them.
they need to realise the extent of the resentment towards islam so that they realise that their stunts such as 9/11 will further alienate christians.
Christians should say, look we want to help you but you must reciprocate that friendship, and hiding behind a veil, not showing your legs face cleavage even is unfriendly.
I think the MP asked the woman to take her veil off and any woman not happy with the request could refuse.
I personally don't have a problem with a woman wearing the veil but I do find it harder to understand someone when I can't see their whole face.
I don't feel this is getting at any part of society, Christians are being told they can't wear crosses at work is that against the Christians?
Sikh men are allowed to wear turbins Hindu women wear the dot on there forhead at work even on the airlines where Christians are told they can't wear a cross. (Is this racist?)
At schools a lot of kids can't celebrate Christmas anymore because it isn't PC. They learn every other religous festivals but not the Christmas story. My daughter who is 12 went to a state primary school and covered 1 Christian holiday in 3 years at infant school. Most parents who are Christian do want to see there son and daughter on the stage in a nativity. When I was at school if you were not a Christian you didn't go into assembly, thankfully that has changed. But I do feel it is important to carry on the Christian traditions and also learn about other faiths so that this can avoid racial tension.
I am not racist but I can see both sides of the arguement. We are all living in the same community so we all have to have some give and take.
How many countries allow different religions places of worship? I feel overall all the citizens of the UK of all different faiths are very tolerant of each others religions.
I have many friends of many different faiths, personally I don't see being asked and being able to refuse is a big deal.
As for the lady who works in the school, I feel it should be her choice and not enforced on her about her veil.
I also feel the lady who went to work with a cross on shouldn't have been sent home either and told she couldn't wear it.
I know it isn't called a veil but it is nearly 2.00am in the morning and the correct name escapes me at the moment.
Get over it its your second question now on how muslims dress it sounds like the only person with an issue with it is you!!!
Your question does two things to me. First: it angers me that Muslims come to Britain and take advantage of the freedom to worship, vote, earn money and even run their own businesses in a society that permits freedom of worship. This is not so in many Muslim countries. The seeds of anger that Muslims are sowing has now manifest itself in that BA stewardess being fired by the cowardly management of BA for wearing a crucific while on duty. I have seen caucasian stewardesses wearing facial veils after returning from flights to Saudie and elsewhere so as not to offend the Muslims. I for one am sick to death of placating Muslims and bowing to their every complaint.
You cover yourselves up to prevent men from looking at you and becoming interested sexually. Dont you realize that the way you cover yourselves up has just the opposite effect on men. Show me a woman in a bathing suite and I wont give her a second look, but show me a woman in a skirt and my imagination is allowed to go wild. Imagine what effect you have on many men. Ive quite often given a Muslim woman with just her eyes exposed a second look. It can be quite enticing. If there one thing about Asians that is attractive to men, its their eyes.
Your dress can also be quite intimidating and can cause fear in those who are nervous or children. After all it is the Muslims who are the suicide bombers. I dont recall a Christian or a Jew blowing themselves up.
Lets try this scenario for fun. Suppose I and about 200,000 other white Christians and Jews started wearing black ski-masks this winter to prevent our faces from the cold wind. After all, that is what they are intended for. Imagine walking down Fleet Street and you see three men wearing black ski masks and black shirts, jackets, and pants coming your way. What would you think? Yet they could be on their way to church.
I for one believe that Muslims should be permitted freedom to worship but before they can stay in UK they must take an oath of allegiance to the Crown and Britain, learn the politics of this country and how it works, go out and vote without racial bias, learn English, teach your children to become good citizens of the UK and most of all BE GREATFUL FOR WHAT WE HAVE GIVEN YOU FREELY FROM THE KINDNESS OF OUR HEARTS.
Muslim women should not wear facial coverings because it divides us. What Straw said is true, it is a sign of respect in the west to be able to see the face of someone who is speaking to you or teaching you.
Its coming to the point where as a Brit I'm ready to yell "WILL THE LAST BRIT TO LEAVE BRITAIN PLEASE TURN OUT THE LIGHTS".
Secondly: it is turning me into a racist. I didnt always feel this way. I felt that men and women of any colour or religion were welcome but now the crime in this country has escalated, drugs are everywhere (Afghanistan grows most of the opium sold in this country). Murder is on the rise, honour killings are underreported, Diwali is celebrated openly as is Ramadan, while Christmas isnt allowed in public because the pansy government doesnt want to offend. I personally spoke with a Hounslow councilman from India. He told me that the British came to his country many years ago and took his country from him and now the Indians have come to Britain to take Britain away from them.
So to summarize briefly, I was a tolerant, kind hearted man with love for all humanity. I am now a racist full of anger.
Now the ball is in your court. How can you go about winning my trust, respect and love back?
Hello,
A lot of people because of their faith, culture or race elect to live apart and not to integrate into the British way of life.
You will have observed by comparison how liberal we brits are, we have no national code of dress, no national code of what to eat or not eat, religion over the years is left up to the individual we no longer promote religion in our schools.
We have by enlarge followed the road to capitalism.
But as Brits we can feel threatened by those we do not understand, it is not that we are unwilling to make an effort to understand as often we need someone to understand us.
If someone disagrees with me, thank you... for that we live in a society where you are free to do..just that. Disagree. They have not attacked me for doing so.
If we agree that we are of a different race, culture and faith, well that is good... we have then to note what our differences might be. I notice you have observed some women in our white culture wear high heels, but that in essence is there choice. Maybe these women feel short and want to feel a little taller, maybe they think that heels are a fashion accessorie and that it helps them to feel more attractive and feminine as woman. You must recognise this as speculation it does not make it a fact or an attack. It is an interpretation as to why the heels.
Of late the press. some MP's councillors etc have speculated that it is not easy to coverse with someone in a veil, they feel that it does not help you to integrate with the rest of British society as it seperates you.
As a Brit, I do think this is true but I would not tell you to remove your veil unless I felt threatened by you.
I notice you have a small thumbnail picture of yourself, you look fine. I see no problem of communicating with someones whose face I can see. I do have a problem where the face is completely covered, I would find it daunting to converse in this situation. British children find masked or veiled men and women frightening, they do not see it as a customary code of dress for nationals who are not British.
On the subject of intrepretation we Brits because of our leanings towards being more liberal and easy find that even within the members of the Muslim population..they to have their interpretation of the Quran. As such a vast number of interpretations have been given we would probably approve of the least extreme.
I am speaking here as a moderate thinker here, I have enjoyed sharing with Muslim flatmates over a number of years and the subject of the veil has never been a problem indoors. The issue of when they wanted to hold there prayers was never an issue for me, what they chose to eat and cook not an issue. These were Muslim girls who were willing to integrate via some attempt to compromise.
They didn't wear a miniskirt, a revealing top and a pair of high heels to do this. Although one of my flatmates tried my shoes on for a laugh indoors, and indeed it was.
If Muslim women want to integrate in work, education, or in the society of other white women or indeed with other races of women, they should not wear the full veil. If a Muslim woman feels threatened by a male colleague she should speak with the other women before referring back to her veil. Maybe any fears she might have would dissipitate after debate during which she may gain support and protection.
If you feel vulnerable speak with another woman, don't get annoyed, be calm be truthful and all should be well.
I think that communities should be learning from musilms rather than trying to oppress them--but then, I am in america, which is known as a melting pot and our lives have been enriched by what many different immigrants to our country brought with them--food, games, attitude and outlook on life...........If a muslim woman wants to wear her traditional garb, so be it--which is worse, covering everything or running around naked?
No it is not the best way to improve culture relations, i think muslim women should be allowed to wear their dress. But and this is a big but, they should register themselves some how or other so the frightend non muslim population feel secure, in other words as long as you are known under your burka/veils then no problem , but how can this be acheived, that is the problem.
Muslim factions killing each other, caused by death squads killing other poor Muslims sent by Pasdaran. You speak so two-faced in peace. Don't get me wrong, but all of your questions seem to have a "Americans will be divided and hate each other by my question" connotation.-readers please check it out. I guess you're right Americans are less intelligent than Iranis-typical mindset-but we're too stupid to know it. I was thinking of a flight from Tinian to Tehran in a couple of months, want to meet me there to discuss this?
You have one huge chip on your shoulder.
who's community the one you want to impose on others or the indigenous one that is UK?
You know one of the western worlds ways of understanding is to see expressions on the face. You can say many things but if you cant see then the risk is misunderstanding.
You know how it is on the phone well that's the same.
But what about christian nuns, Jews wearing skull caps. White and black youths wearing hoods and baseball caps? punks with needles and piercings? What is more offensive?
But a good way to improve community relations is to let people see that you are happy to be here.Lets see your smiles. Then you will see ours. Easy is it not?
No it isn't. and we aren't immigrants. most of us were born here. Nikaab (face covering) is not only to prevent men from being sexually aroused by women but also to make us women more independent and have a words and speech of a higher status than our looks. women ARE given a high status in Islam. if you have ever read an Islamic book on women you would understand. it is too long for me to explain, but trust me on it, women are given a high status in Islam. and we ARE allowed to have an education, and a job, and to drive. someone has said we wouldn't be allowed by our husbands. and one does not have to see ones lips to understand what they are saying as so many people keep mentioning. also, isn't it down to Muslims about what they wear, whether it's the nikaab or the jilbaab(long dress covering the whole body) or the hijab (head covering)? not non Muslims. since we are the ones who understand our own religion not Non Muslims.
i also think that every person should be allowed to wear any type of clothing to show which religion they believe in. if we are allowed to wear the nikaab, jilbab and hijab then Christians should be allowed to wear the cross, Jews should be allowed to wear caps etc.
Men don't have wear a nikaab or jilaab or hijab because we believe women are better at controlling their desires and aren't so easily sexually aroused.
p.s. Quran is spelt like 'Quran' not 'Koran'. (not trying to offend you, just pointing out a spelling mistake)
Have you read this book and what are your view or answers to the list below from this book?
The Truth About Muhammad
by Robert Spencer
Meet the real Muhammad:
Muhammad's bizarre reaction to his first "revelation": "I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself"
The heretical Christian who convinced Muhammad he was a prophet 鈥?and may have taught him his erroneous views of Christianity
Islamic borrowings from Judaism, Christianity, and Zoroastrianism 鈥?and Muhammad's enraged replies to charges that he borrowed material rather than received actual divine revelations
The "revelation" that allowed Muhammad to marry his beautiful daughter-in-law
The strange incident in Muhammad's life that makes it virtually impossible to prove rape in Islamic countries today
The real "Satanic Verses" incident (not the Salman Rushdie version): how Muhammad's attempt to win over his opponents ended with his saying he had been inspired not by God, but by Satan
How the Qur'an's teaching on warfare against unbelievers developed 鈥?with constant war to establish the hegemony of Islamic law as the last stage
The first year of the Muslim calendar: not when Muhammad was born or became a prophet, but when he became a warlord
How Muhammad used the graphic lure of Islamic Paradise to urge his warriors to fight furiously to extend his rule
"Kill every Jew who comes into your power": why Muhammad became so angry with both Jews and Christians 鈥?with disastrous consequences that are still playing out in the world today
The momentous command by Muhammad that led to good being identified with anything that benefited the Muslims, and evil with anything that harmed them --without reference to any larger moral standard
Muhammad's child bride 鈥?and the terrible consequences his marriage to a nine-year-old still has in the Islamic world
"This is the caravan of the Quraysh possessing wealth. It is likely that Allah may give it to you as booty": how Muhammad gave divine sanction to the Muslims' bloody raids
"War is deceit": the permission Muhammad gave his followers to lie in order to gain an advantage over their enemies
How Muhammad broke the principal treaty he entered into, again setting a pattern for Muslim states thereafter
Muhammad's commands to his followers to wage perpetual war against non-Muslims, including Jews and Christians
Muhammad on women's rights: women "are prisoners with you having no control of their persons"
"If justice is not to be found with me then where will you find it?" Why Muhammad still stands for Muslims as the supreme model for human behavior
"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula, and will not leave any but Muslims" 鈥?and other statements by Muhammad that contemporary jihadists take very seriously
Islamic tolerance? The onerous tax burden and other discriminatory regulations mandated for non-Muslims under Islamic law
How Muhammad ordered the killing of apostates from Islam
The massacre of a Jewish tribe by Muhammad that was invoked by modern-day jihadists at the beginning of Israel's July 2006 operations against Hizballah in Lebanon
"Embrace Islam, and your lives and property will be safe": Muhammad's threatening letters to the rulers of the lands around Arabia
Muhammad's frequent avowals that the Muslims would overcome the empires bordering on Arabia and one day stand as masters of the world
"I have been made victorious with terror" 鈥?and other statements of Muhammad on his deathbed
Six steps that American leaders can and must take in order to protect our nation from Islamic jihad terrorism
let them say whatever they want. woman in Islam is like the diamond, cannot be touched or seen parts of her body except with a persmission of what God has given the right to.
what they should criticize is the husband who enjoy seeing men looking at his wife while wearing her sexy swimming bikini.
